Everything is Digital. Unless it’s Handwritten: Cue Card Wally, Part 2

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Hey, welcome back to snap decisions.

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This is part two of our

conversation with Wally Farrison.

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AKA cue card Wiley coming up.

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We're going to hear from Wally more

stories behind the scenes on the set

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of Saturday night live and Seth Myers.

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Here we go.

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John: You talked about making , some of

the guests and the hosts comfortable.

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Clearly that works because man,

reading about you and just listening

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to I don't want to promote another

podcast, but they're already number one.

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So what the hell, you know, the guys on

smart list, Jason Bateman and Sean Hayes

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and Will Arnett often reference you.

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And it's clear that some really

big talent of all stripes.

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just rely on you when they

come on that show and have

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developed a comfort with you.

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Obviously there's some experience there.

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There's some chemistry there to

what do you attribute your ability

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to kind of make those connections

and make them feel comfortable?

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Wally: It's, you know, I mean, I

guess doing it so long, I think, you

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know, one of your questions, which

was interesting, was how long did it

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take to get good at what what you did.

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So I was naturally really good at

holding the cards when I first started.

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I wasn't running anything.

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I was just a worker and within 3

years, the guy that was running it.

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Left and there were three or four people

that had four years more experience

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than me and they picked me to run

the show because I was the coolest

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under pressure and I could handle

those pressure situations, making snap

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decisions very quickly without panicking.

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Can we get the changes done in time?

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Can we only do these amount of changes?

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Something like that.

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It probably took me three years to

get comfortable running that show.

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Because I didn't trust anybody to do it

because now I'm, now I'm responsible.

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So I think you guys may be

in those situations where

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you're in charge and you're doing all

the work or you're doing supervising

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everything and you won't do it

something without being involved

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with it, and then you get comfortable

with your workers and you say, oh,

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they can do it, they're trained well,

and then I can relax a little bit.

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So it took me about three

years to get really good.

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And then when I got comfortable,

then I could make the hosts.

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Comfortable.

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I think just by showing, Hey, this

is where I'm going to be on Saturday.

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And there's going to be a set over here

and you want to run cards, you know, if

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it's a sketch that really hard, I'll come

in your dressing room and cards, anything

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they want to make the experience, better.

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So I had a good experience this summer.

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With Ryan Reynolds.

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I did a commercial.

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They hired me to do a commercial

with him in Toronto, and he didn't

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know I was coming so that their

director flew me out, put me up, flew

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me on first class was really nice.

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And I got on set, and he

walks by me doesn't see me.

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And, and then I see him talking to the

director and then he runs over to me

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and he was like, what the hell are you

doing here and I was like, I'm here.

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Brian: Okay.

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Wally: And he was like, Brian, the

director, told me they had cue cards

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and they, he was like, they told me,

he's like, you won't believe who we got.

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And he told me, and he's like,

when he said your name, he

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was like, I instantly relaxed.

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My body relaxed.

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I, I was, he's like, I was, I'm at ease

and I'm not worrying about anything

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for the rest of the shoot today.

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It's just hearing my name made him relax

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and say, Oh, Oh, this is

going to be, this is great.

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So yeah, I guess I have that appeal

because I proved myself over the years,

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proving yourself and doing that right.

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But it was really nice to hear him say

that and instantly relaxing people.

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That's why I did cards for

Seth when Seth started.

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I was only working three days a

week, 21 weeks out of the year.

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I had a really nice,

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nice life,

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Brian: good gig there,

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Wally: time on it.

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But when Seth started, I wanted him to

relax and not worry about cue cards.

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I wanted to worry about the writing.

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That's why I took on that.

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John: So, obviously you're

putting people at ease.

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Do you think you're, you've

done a bunch of writing?

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Do you think some of your writing

chops have helped you with, you

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know, timing and kind of being on

the same page with a performer?

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Wally: I think so.

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I think that's a really good,

that's a really good point.

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I grew up in comedy.

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My brother writes, my

brother writes comedy.

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My dad wanted to be a comedian.

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I really wanted to write comedy.

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I wanted to write funny movies.

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Yes, I think having a good sense of

humor helped me understand the sketch

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and maybe write it differently and, and,

you know, just, yeah, help them out.

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So yes, I think, I think that

having that sense of humor

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comes into play a lot, you know?

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Brian: So yeah, so when you're filming

both, both shows during a week, are

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you, are you going up and down 30 Rock,

like back and forth the whole time, or

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Wally: Thursday is the only day of

Seth tapes Monday through Thursday

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and SNL is Thursday, Friday, Saturday.

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So Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, I'm

there from 2 to 5 nice cushy 3 hour

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day, you know, drive in our drive

home our Thursday is the tougher one

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where I have set that from 4 to 5.

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Well, SNL starts rehearsing at three.

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And the studios are right next

to each other on the same floor.

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So I'm just so it's really easy.

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So I'm just going back and forth wherever,

you know, Seth gets the preference

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because they're taping that day and I

said, well, it's just rehearsal, but

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I'm going in there and if it's a host,

I haven't met, I try to go talk to them

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and say, Hey, this is, I'm doing Seth.

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I'll be here, you know,

out in an hour or two.

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And they're like, okay, fine.

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You know, go ahead.

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The ones that are nervous would

be like, Oh, you're coming back.

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I say, yeah, I'll be back.

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I'm just.

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So yeah, it's a little bit of juggling

on thursday, but then friday I'm

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there all day and saturday there.

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I'm all day doing, you know, doing stuff

when amber, I don't know, amber ruffin,

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if you guys ever watched that show,

that used to take friday mornings, a

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rehearsal would start friday morning.

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So that was a tougher one.

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I have to be in at like 8 30,

which I hate mornings being 30.

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We tape at one and then we finished

around three and then I'd have to

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go over and press it down rehearsal.

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So it was a long,

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it was a lot.

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Brian: a long day.

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Wally: It was between two

shows on Thursday, two shows

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on Friday, and then Saturday.

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Yeah, it was long, but she's

not taping any shows right

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now, right now, so it's good.

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Brian: And then you, so you, you, you

mentioned around Reynolds special,

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you do pick up occasional things

here and there too, just to kind

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of stay busy in the off season, I

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Wally: Well, yeah, I mean, when

the strike was going, I was a

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commercial, so I could still do that.

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I mean, I used to do that a lot when I was

first starting out or when I was starting

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out with my company and I was younger

and I was like, yeah, they, I'm the only

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cue card company in town, basically.

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So if someone comes to town and

they need cue cards, they're

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thinking about getting cue cards.

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They have to come to me.

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So I get, you know, I would get a

lot of offers like, yeah, in the

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summer when I was off, I was off in

the summer when there was no Seth.

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And yeah, I'd get like, we do the parade.

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We do the Macy's parade.

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We, we do shows

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on New Year's Eve.

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We were in the, in Times Square.

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We don't do them anymore.

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We did the ones in Miami this lately.

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Cause Lauren produces

the one, the Miley Cyrus

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ones with Lauren produced those.

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So I did those.

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Yeah.

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It's things like that, you know

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John: So my big takeaway from all

that is that there's a, there's a cue

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card cartel that you're in charge of.

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Wally: pretty much

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John: No, no one else

can come in and do it.

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Huh?

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Wally: I mean, they could try, but

I own all the cue card workers.

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So, you know, good luck, good luck with

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that.

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It was like,

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John: you, you've got a full staff, right?

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You've got a full staff

at any time doing a bunch

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Wally: got 15 15 workers, 15 people,

guys and girls working for me.

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And yeah, I mean, it's just

it's something that, again, I

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didn't set out to have a company.

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It's just something that

turned into this opportunity.

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And I was really good at it.

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And know, it's my career now, you

know, it's what I'm known for.

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Brian: that.

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I love that.

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Cause you, you just, never know

where, where life's going to take you.

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And here you are.

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Yeah.

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Wally: I know people like this, people,

I tell them what I do, like that's a job.

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That's a thing.

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It's

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John: It's not just a

job, it's a whole business

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Wally: I say it's the, I, I say it's

the, it's the, I have the card company

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in the, in the, in the world, in

the, in the country, because cue card

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company in the country and people

are like, well, you couldn't say

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the world because there's not really

big cue card companies in the world.

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And I was like, yeah, that seems, even

for my ego, that seems really hard.

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I'm not going to,

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John: we'll say it for you.

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Wally: you guys can say it.

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John: Maybe, we'll redo the intro and

introduce you as the world's, running

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the world's largest cue card company.

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You also run a side business,

a cue card business.

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So Brian mentioned this, that

during, during COVID, you started

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selling cue cards directly

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Wally: Yeah.

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personalized cue cards.

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Now, these are, there's a two really

good snap decisions in this story.

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And it's not ones that I made.

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It's one that my business wife

made that you guys know, Deborah

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Feresten, a year before that 2019.

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Brian: Brilliant, brilliant woman.

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John: Brilliant

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Wally: up with this idea.

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I had the idea to do personalized

cue cards for people.

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I can't, I was thinking about it one

night and I remember walking into the

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kitchen and she was, she was sitting

doing something, probably work.

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And I told her, I go, I get this

idea for this, for this company.

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What do you think?

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And I told her the idea and within

three seconds, she said, nope.

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Nope, not the time for it.

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It's not going to work.

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You know, you'll go away.

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It was like that.

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I swear it was that quick.

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And I, and whether it was, I don't

know what she based her decision

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on probably based it on that.

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I was already working a

lot, and she knows me.

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I don't like to do work.

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She made she made me that was part

of the decision whatever it was,

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it was, it was quick and I didn't

challenge her on it because she's

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she knows her she knows her stuff.

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Year later, COVID's here.

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It's probably three months in the COVID.

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I think it was like May and

I've been doing nothing.

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I'm, and I'm sitting on a couch

gaining weight, not doing anything.

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And she's, she's watching a

show and she said, I think I

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need to start a new company.

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And I was like, Hey, what about that?

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Cue cards by Wally.

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We think that personalized cue card.

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And again, snap decision.

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Yes.

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How's the time

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to do it?

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Brian: Just as fast as that now.

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Right.

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Wally: Yeah, it was really fast again.

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And she was like, yes,

now's the time to do it.

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You can't, people can't go to weddings.

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They can't go to birthdays.

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This is, this is perfect.

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So again, even though I wasn't working,

I didn't want to do a lot of work.

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So it took a couple of

weeks for her to figure out.

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And she came up with, I know you

guys have done this MVP, minimal

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viable

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John: Mm

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hmm.

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Wally: It was like, she's like,

get a Venmo account and get

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an Instagram account and go.

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And that's what I did.

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That was easy.

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And then it, it took off.

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I got some press within like two weeks

of opening and it was on its way.

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And she,

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again, was right again.

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So really smart snap decisions by her from

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her business, all the stuff

she learned in business.

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You know,

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John: So I, I hadn't thought of

this before, but now I know I'm

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going to get Brian for his birthday.

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I'm going to get him a, a, a

personal handwritten cue card by

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Wally: yeah.

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Brian: fantastic.

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John: going to say something

nasty, but it will be from you.

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Wally: So yeah, so, so she, she

used her business acumen and, and

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knowing her husband to say no.

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And then to say, yes, that

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Brian: now's the time.

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Timing's

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everything.

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John: true marketer, assessing

the market predicting when

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things are ripe for opportunity.

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That's great.

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Wally: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It was really, really smart.

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And I, and that, that was something.

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That I didn't expect to

bring me so much joy.

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I thought it was just something to keep

me busy, but it was the feedback I was

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getting from people that they couldn't

go to a birthday party or an anniversary

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and that they were giving this original

gift that went over really well.

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And everyone was like, Oh my God,

this is fantastic was, was kept money

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coming in and just kept me happy.

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You know, and it made me, made me

feel like I was doing something to,

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to bring joy to people during this.

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Pandemic that we all suffered

through, you know, is it was

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it was really, really fun, fun.

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And it just felt, made me feel really

good about what I do, you know?

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John: Very cool.

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Does anyone ever pay

you to come do an event?

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Like that's not like a recorded, not

a professionally produced thing, but

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Wally: that's the, that's the

next business we're launching.

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Now, no, no, we were, we're doing

research, I'm very, very slowly, but

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doing research on like, I speak at a

lot of colleges, like for free, I'll

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go to like the colleges that my kids

went to, but also local colleges like

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Montclair State I've been to with,

with friends of my sons that go there.

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And I'll go and speak to

classes or groups of people.

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And I get a lot of really,

really good feedback from that.

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I get a lot of good stories and I give

out cue cards and they have a great time.

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So, yeah, so we're looking into that

down the road as another income stream.

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When I get closer to maybe not doing as

much cue cards, but going and speaking

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to colleges or you know, she thinks

I would do well with at businesses.

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I don't know if I would do as well

with the, with the, you guys would

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know, like, like a company thing.

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I just don't know if, if that's

my audience, you know, maybe some

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of them would be my audience,

but not all of them, you know,

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Brian: think you can figure it out.

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John: Yeah, I think you

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Brian: there's

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something there.

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Wally: There's definitely something there.

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and I, you know, going to I think

colleges would be really fun.

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And yeah, I don't know, you know, there's,

there's, that's going to be the next step.

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The next thing, you know,

speaking, speaking things with a

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whole presentation and one thing.

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Brian: was your what was your

reaction to being on camera?

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You know, I know that it started year

or two into when you were in SNL,

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but like, is that, I mean, that's

gotta be like icing on the cake.

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But were you, nervous were you

in those types of situations?

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And it's gotta be so much fun.

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Wally: it's, you know,

I was, I was an actor.

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I did acting in high school.

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I always wanted to be a writer.

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I did.

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I didn't, I got, I liked being on

camera, but it wasn't my focus.

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So anytime SNL said, Hey,

we put you in the monologue,

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we put you in the cold open.

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It was fantastic.

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It was really fun.

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And I get to, you know, you have

enough time to rehearse, even though

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it's SNL, you have time to rehearse.

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And then when Seth started doing

it more and more and more Yeah.

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I think I was, you know, I was nervous

at first and I don't think I was great,

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but the more and more I did it, the

more and more I would relax about it.

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Because the thing is sometimes

I won't know I'm on camera until

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: 00:12:36

an hour before the show starts.

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We'll get a closer look.

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At two 30, I start printing it.

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I see I'm in it.

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So as I'm printing it, I'm

trying to learn my lines

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John: So wait, they write you

into it and you don't even know?

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Wally: No, I have no idea.

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: 00:12:47

And so I get the script, you know,

an hour and a half before the show

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while I have to print the script.

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So I don't really have time to be nervous.

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I just kind of like, take

it like, and it's fun.

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Like they don't set that Seth has

the confidence to put me in it and

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keep on putting me in, into it.

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And let me add, I'm Mike every

day, whether I'm in the show

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: 00:13:02

or not, we had a mistake.

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: 00:13:04

We had a misspelled word, Pennsylvania.

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: 00:13:06

We misspelled on a, on a monologue joke.

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And he called me out on it

and then called himself on it.

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Cause I was like, I read this.

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During rehearsal and I didn't see it and

we just started talking about it in the

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process of what happened and it was really

funny and it was, you know, really good.

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So they feel free with letting

me ad lib something like that.

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And I feel it feels fun, you know?

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Brian: I love when they had

you look like George Santos.

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That

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Wally: Oh, yes.

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: 00:13:28

I'm very upset.

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I didn't, I was going to text the writer

to see if I could, you know, have a

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: 00:13:33

reference to me or at least play him

one more time, you know, when he was

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: 00:13:35

ousted, but it didn't, it didn't happen.

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: 00:13:37

Brian: was a good one

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: 00:13:38

Wally: that was, that was fun.

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: 00:13:39

John: So as you, as you get more and

more on camera time, especially on Seth,

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like you just said, and you're, you've

got kind of some celebrity status.

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Wally: Yeah.

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John: Do you feel like you have

to make decisions like how to walk

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that line between being behind the

camera and in front of the camera?

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: 00:13:55

What is that?

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Or is it just like kind of thrust

upon you and you just go with it?

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: 00:13:59

Wally: It's trying to keep my ego,

you know, so that smaller so that I

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don't annoy my coworkers, my wife.

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: 00:14:08

John: Well, that's what your

wife is for to keep your

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Wally: Any anybody around me and it's

harder and harder like, you know, like I

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said, I did that Ryan Reynolds commercial

He put me in instagram post last week.

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I don't know if you guys if you saw

it there were there were leaked photos

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: 00:14:22

from the set of his superhero movie

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: 00:14:24

so the shooting deadpool 3 and I guess

a cameraman Big lens got shots of

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: 00:14:29

set and leaked them to some websites.

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: 00:14:31

So he, two days after, leaked his

own on set photos, but they were

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: 00:14:36

photoshopped, really bad photoshopped,

like Mickey Mouse was in one and Urkel

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was in the background of another one.

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And then he put me in one holding

a card that said, Wally put the

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: 00:14:46

cards down that he got from,

that he photoshopped in from SNL.

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: 00:14:48

Now I think he did it because the

commercial we worked on released

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: 00:14:51

the day before this happened.

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: 00:14:53

That is crazy.

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: 00:14:55

Mike, Seth Meyers was calling me.

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: 00:14:57

He was like, did you see what

Ryan Reynolds just posted?

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: 00:14:59

My brother was calling me from Hollywood

saying, what, what's going on with this?

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: 00:15:03

You know, like it was, it was really, so

when things like that start happening.

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: 00:15:08

That's crazy.

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: 00:15:09

You know, that's really,

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: 00:15:11

John: I, I love that your brother

who wrote for Seinfeld is now, is

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: 00:15:14

now jealous of your celebrity status.

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: 00:15:16

Wally: Oh, no doubt.

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: 00:15:17

I can tell you the stories of hanging out

with my brother at a cast party early on

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in my career and Nicole Kidman hosted me.

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: 00:15:24

She was still married to Tom Cruise.

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: 00:15:26

And we were hanging at the bar and

Nicole Kidman and Tom Cruise walk in and

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: 00:15:31

they're trying to get to the table and

Tom Cruise is like, hold on a second.

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: 00:15:33

And he did a beeline for me and came up.

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: 00:15:37

Shook my hand.

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: 00:15:37

He's like, thanks so

much for helping her out.

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: 00:15:38

You are fantastic

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: 00:15:39

tonight.

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: 00:15:39

And my brother's there with his

mouth open going, what is going on?

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: 00:15:44

Brian: Right.

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: 00:15:45

And so he was a, he was a

receptionist first at saturday night

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: 00:15:47

live, right?

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Before he

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: 00:15:48

became a

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: 00:15:48

Wally: He worked.

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: 00:15:49

Yep.

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: 00:15:50

Yep.

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: 00:15:50

He worked his way up.

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: 00:15:51

I try to keep

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: 00:15:52

John: Not Tom Cruise, your brother,

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: 00:15:53

just to be clear.

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: 00:15:54

Wally: No, my brother.

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: 00:15:55

I try to keep that stuff in check.

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: 00:15:57

Like I said, it's really

cool to hear that stuff.

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: 00:15:59

And I have celebrities coming up and

telling me they watch me on the show.

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: 00:16:02

And I think I'm really funny.

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: 00:16:02

Like Jon Hamm.

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: 00:16:04

I know who I know from SNL, but he

was like, you're so funny in the show.

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: 00:16:07

That kind of blows me away when I,

when I have celebrities that will be

431

: 00:16:10

that, but like I said, I try to keep

it in check and I try to say, okay,

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: 00:16:13

it's the fun part of the job, but

it's still, I'm still doing cue cards.

433

: 00:16:16

I'm still going to focus

on that and not that.

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: 00:16:20

Brian: Well, you know, it's good.

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: 00:16:21

Cause you have.

436

: 00:16:22

You, you know, when you look at your

team, you know how they need to be acting.

437

: 00:16:26

So you, you are able to be

able to, you know, see it

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: 00:16:28

Wally: I have to balance.

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: 00:16:29

It is a balance, though.

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: 00:16:30

I do have to balance it.

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: 00:16:31

I can think about it when the show's

over, but when the show's going on,

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: 00:16:33

I'm focused on doing cue cards, unless

I'm in something, you know, for that,

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: 00:16:36

for that moment, because you have to

be focused to do that job, you know?

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: 00:16:39

John: Well, you've had some nice moments

to shine in the spotlight, but it

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: 00:16:43

sounds like also from your description

that sometimes you're kind of working

446

: 00:16:46

in the bowels of Studio 8 H you know,

writing for hours, so I get that that

447

: 00:16:50

could be kind of the non glamorous side.

448

: 00:16:53

Curious to hear you don't have to

name names, but, you know, please do.

449

: 00:16:58

Like any of like really unpleasant

cast members or guests, like

450

: 00:17:02

any stories around, like just

a, just a crappy situation

451

: 00:17:05

regarding talent.

452

: 00:17:06

Wally: cast members know, and, you

know, it's the people that you would

453

: 00:17:10

imagine were not, were not nice.

454

: 00:17:13

You know, like George Steinbrenner,

when, you know, he comes to host.

455

: 00:17:15

He's

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: 00:17:16

John: Okay.

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: 00:17:16

Name names.

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: 00:17:16

Wally: going to be a pleasant, he's not

going to be a pleasant guy, you know, it's

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: 00:17:19

people like that.

460

: 00:17:20

I will say, you know, Donald Trump

wasn't the, wasn't the worst when

461

: 00:17:24

he was, this was before politics.

462

: 00:17:25

He was just a reality

host and a state guy.

463

: 00:17:29

And he was, he was fine.

464

: 00:17:30

He wasn't good, but he

was, you know, he was fine.

465

: 00:17:33

Usually it's not the non actors, you

know, that come in, the Elon musks

466

: 00:17:37

will come in and people like that,

that aren't used to this kind of thing.

467

: 00:17:40

So they don't know how to act,

468

: 00:17:42

Brian: different environment for them.

469

: 00:17:43

Wally: you know, they're

not an act on camera.

470

: 00:17:45

They don't know how to act off camera

kind of thing, you know, but most

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: 00:17:48

of, I would say 97 percent of people

are really nice because they need me.

472

: 00:17:52

I'm, I'm helping them out, you know, so

not going to be mean to me or a jerk to me

473

: 00:17:56

because I'm there to help them, you know?

474

: 00:17:57

Brian: absolutely.

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: 00:17:58

Wally: Yeah.

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: 00:17:58

Brian: What was your what's

your favorite cast era?

477

: 00:18:00

Wally: Well, they say it's when

you started watching, right?

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: 00:18:03

That's what they say.

479

: 00:18:04

Whatever you were watching,

or when you were a teenager, I

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: 00:18:06

think when you were a teenager, that's,

481

: 00:18:08

that's that's probably your favorite.

482

: 00:18:10

So, I mean, I started watching when

I was 10, when the show started.

483

: 00:18:12

So, I mean, the original cast really

is what, how I grew to love the show.

484

: 00:18:17

I don't remember a lot when they left,

so I think I stopped watching that Eddie

485

: 00:18:22

Murphy, Eddie Murphy years, Billy Crystal.

486

: 00:18:24

I don't remember watching a lot,

but I was Probably in high school,

487

: 00:18:28

probably going out a lot on Saturdays.

488

: 00:18:29

And this was, did we have

VCRs in, in the early

489

: 00:18:33

eighties?

490

: 00:18:34

right.

491

: 00:18:34

John: Yeah.

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: 00:18:34

Not everyone had them, but you know,

493

: 00:18:36

Wally: Yeah.

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: 00:18:37

So, so it's the first cast.

495

: 00:18:39

And then when I started working, you

know, I started working with Adam Sandler

496

: 00:18:42

and Chris Farley and, you know, and

you know, those guys and David Spade.

497

: 00:18:45

So, you know, those, that's

my second favorite when I

498

: 00:18:48

started with those guys, you

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: 00:18:49

John: Really putting him

on the spot there, Brian.

500

: 00:18:51

He's got, he's got to work with

these people, you know, not,

501

: 00:18:54

Wally: they know,

502

: 00:18:55

John: and I, and I'm guessing

the cast is listening,

503

: 00:18:57

Wally: maybe

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: 00:18:57

John: cast.

505

: 00:18:58

Yeah,

506

: 00:18:58

Wally: they're not here,

they're not here right now,

507

: 00:19:00

John: no, no, but they will

be listening eventually,

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: 00:19:03

Brian: when you came in when you

started SNL did you always see that as

509

: 00:19:07

kind of like uh, going to be here for

a couple of years and I'm going to do

510

: 00:19:09

something else and see that as, you

know, what point did you realize that

511

: 00:19:12

like, know, this is where I'm going

512

: 00:19:13

to

513

: 00:19:14

Wally: there.

514

: 00:19:14

I was gonna be stuck there for 33 years.

515

: 00:19:16

Yeah, I wanted to be a writer.

516

: 00:19:17

So I don't know if we covered that.

517

: 00:19:18

I

518

: 00:19:18

went to school, went to

Syracuse for writing.

519

: 00:19:20

. And I wanted to be a writer.

520

: 00:19:21

So I took the job to

get my foot in the door.

521

: 00:19:22

And I did.

522

: 00:19:23

I made contacts.

523

: 00:19:23

I was writing.

524

: 00:19:24

I started writing jokes for Norm

Macdonald on Weekend Update immediately.

525

: 00:19:27

And then.

526

: 00:19:28

I got hired to do some stuff for

Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network and MTV.

527

: 00:19:33

And I was writing episodes of things

here and there, nothing, you know, to

528

: 00:19:37

keep, nothing to pay the bills, you know,

it was just like 500 here, 800 there.

529

: 00:19:42

John: but you were actually,

you were actually a writer.

530

: 00:19:45

Wally: Yeah, oh yeah, I was hired to

write, I was doing that, so I was doing

531

: 00:19:48

the cue cards to keep, you know, the

money coming in, but I really, really

532

: 00:19:51

wanted to write, so I took, I took six,

four months off, I, I, I left the show

533

: 00:19:56

one year, my buddy took over, and I

think I had just got married, so I think

534

: 00:20:00

my wife was maybe a little bit of that,

I was like, well, you should, if you

535

: 00:20:02

want to write, why don't you, you know,

536

: 00:20:04

Brian: I mean, just go and do it.

537

: 00:20:05

Yeah.

538

: 00:20:05

Wally: I went out to LA with my brother.

539

: 00:20:07

My brother set me up with an agent and

I took like a bunch of meetings, you

540

: 00:20:10

know, people at production companies

and I pitched them ideas and, you

541

: 00:20:14

know, introduced myself kind of thing.

542

: 00:20:15

I did that for like three months,

like going out, flying out and

543

: 00:20:18

doing that and nothing came of it.

544

: 00:20:20

And she said, okay, you know,

don't have to give it up, but

545

: 00:20:23

we need to, we need some money.

546

: 00:20:25

We need somebody coming in my, her,

her city bank salary was not going

547

: 00:20:28

to pay for us living in the city.

548

: 00:20:29

So I went back to help out.

549

: 00:20:32

And in the meantime, while I was gone in

those four months, my buddy who I knew.

550

: 00:20:36

He was good at doing cue cards, but again,

like I said, it took me three years to

551

: 00:20:39

get the hang of , running the thing.

552

: 00:20:40

He was nowhere close to

knowing how to run it.

553

: 00:20:42

And they were missing me big time.

554

: 00:20:44

At the end of the season, he

decided to move to LA and the show

555

: 00:20:47

said we want Wally back to run it.

556

: 00:20:49

And I was, and I was

like, well, I don't know.

557

: 00:20:51

And they were like,

whatever you want, whatever

558

: 00:20:53

Brian: leverage, right?

559

: 00:20:54

Wally: I had serious leverage

560

: 00:20:56

because they saw what life was like

without me and they didn't like it.

561

: 00:20:59

So I went back.

562

: 00:21:00

I named my salary.

563

: 00:21:01

I said, I want to make this.

564

: 00:21:03

I want to do this.

565

: 00:21:03

And I want to write, I

wanted to write sketches.

566

: 00:21:05

And they said, okay,

we'll agree to all that.

567

: 00:21:08

They paid me what I wanted.

568

: 00:21:09

it was the first year of the

Will Ferrell all those guys.

569

: 00:21:11

It was a whole cast came in at the

same time and write all writers too.

570

: 00:21:14

They said, let us have the first three

months to get like our feel and then

571

: 00:21:17

we'll let you start submitting sketches.

572

: 00:21:19

And they did in January, they

went to me and said, okay, you can

573

: 00:21:21

submit a sketch to every show, you

know, one sketch to every show.

574

: 00:21:24

Brian: Wow.

575

: 00:21:24

Wally: I started writing sketches

576

: 00:21:26

and I almost got the first one I submitted

almost got on it was in the it was in the

577

: 00:21:30

show like four or five times it was out

it was in it was out it was in and word

578

: 00:21:34

came back from Lorne, Lorne loved it.

579

: 00:21:36

He was like you're you're you could

keep on writing, and that was like

580

: 00:21:39

a good boost I was like this is

really nice, and they were trying

581

: 00:21:41

to figure out if I did get one on.

582

: 00:21:44

I'm not in the Writer's Guild.

583

: 00:21:45

How are they going to pay me?

584

: 00:21:46

What am I going to do?

585

: 00:21:46

There was all this talk about that.

586

: 00:21:48

And I did it for three weeks.

587

: 00:21:50

I didn't get a sketch on, but

I was really close, and they

588

: 00:21:52

were really liking my stuff.

589

: 00:21:53

And then a guy in props, who'd been

there for 20 years, you know, longer

590

: 00:21:58

than me, went up to them and said,

Hey, why is Wally allowed to write

591

: 00:22:02

Brian: Oh yeah.

592

: 00:22:02

Wally: I want to write a sketch too.

593

: 00:22:03

And then they were like, all right, we

can't let Wally write sketches anymore.

594

: 00:22:06

And that guy is my mortal enemy.

595

: 00:22:08

I, he doesn't work on the show

anymore, but he ruined it.

596

: 00:22:10

Yeah.

597

: 00:22:10

He's like, okay, you can't do

598

: 00:22:11

it.

599

: 00:22:12

I know it did, but it was,

it was a good feeling.

600

: 00:22:14

And then again, I was getting to

the point where I think I started

601

: 00:22:17

the company in 2004 because we

were being treated pretty badly.

602

: 00:22:20

And again, Deb making the decision.

603

: 00:22:23

I got her the, I got her the number.

604

: 00:22:24

She ran a number, she did a business

plan, which I didn't know what that was.

605

: 00:22:27

And she was like, yeah,

we can make some money.

606

: 00:22:29

We can move to a better

town, bigger, bigger house.

607

: 00:22:32

I go, I just bought a sports car.

608

: 00:22:33

You can have a sports car.

609

: 00:22:34

I'm like, okay, let's do it.

610

: 00:22:35

So we started the, and it's

19 and we've had it for 19

611

: 00:22:38

years now running pretty well.

612

: 00:22:40

So

613

: 00:22:40

John: Fantastic.

614

: 00:22:41

So, so you had a couple

of decisions there.

615

: 00:22:43

One was to not stay in L.

616

: 00:22:44

A.

617

: 00:22:44

and keep writing, and then

to start your own company.

618

: 00:22:48

Those are big decisions that kind of

got you to be the king of cue cards.

619

: 00:22:52

Wally: yeah, yeah.

620

: 00:22:54

John: What if you, what if those

decisions had been different and you'd

621

: 00:22:57

kind of gone down the writing track?

622

: 00:22:58

Do you think that would

have been as fulfilling?

623

: 00:23:00

Wally: I say, I talk

about it all the time.

624

: 00:23:02

No, I think, cause I see my

brother who's doing that.

625

: 00:23:04

My brother's a very

successful writer , but.

626

: 00:23:06

I think the experiences I have and

continue to have as a cue card guy would

627

: 00:23:10

far outweigh anything that I would have

had as a writer, even if I was writing

628

: 00:23:13

great movies or really funny movies.

629

: 00:23:15

I'm meeting these people and getting this

relationship with them and this thing

630

: 00:23:18

that no one else has, you

know, and it's fantastic.

631

: 00:23:22

Brian: maybe you would have

got five good years and then,

632

: 00:23:24

Wally: Yeah, maybe hit movies and

maybe, you know, I've been able to

633

: 00:23:27

live off that, but this is so much fun.

634

: 00:23:29

And I've got a, I've got

a really cool reputation.

635

: 00:23:31

A friend of mine like two

years ago said I Googled cue

636

: 00:23:33

cards and your picture came up.

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I was like,

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Oh,

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: 00:23:36

that's that's, that's kind of cool.

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: 00:23:38

John: Well, well, hearing you talk

about those connections and those

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relationships and hearing the people

you're, you're connecting with talk

642

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about their relationship with you,

, clearly you're doing something right.

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: 00:23:49

So

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: 00:23:50

Wally: Yes.

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: 00:23:50

Well, thank you, I, I, I try, I try.

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: 00:23:52

Yeah.

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: 00:23:52

It's really fun.

648

: 00:23:53

And yes, when I get that feedback

from people like Alec Baldwin and

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: 00:23:56

stuff, it's really, really, really

meaningful, you know, really great.

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: 00:23:59

Brian: Awesome.

651

: 00:23:59

Awesome.

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: 00:24:00

Well know, we really appreciate you

taking some time and talking to us.

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: 00:24:04

We'd love hearing your story.

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: 00:24:05

We'd love.

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: 00:24:06

John: Great stuff.

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: 00:24:07

Brian: Everything about it and,

you know, it's not marketing,

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: 00:24:10

but it is, you know, and

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: 00:24:11

it's uh, there's a lot of

crossovers here and it's great.

659

: 00:24:13

So

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: 00:24:14

thank

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: 00:24:14

Wally: No, I appreciate

you guys having me.

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: 00:24:15

No, I've done, I've done some talks.

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: 00:24:17

I have a friend that's in

the business world and I've

664

: 00:24:18

gone and talked to his group.

665

: 00:24:20

And they've asked me

questions, stuff like that.

666

: 00:24:21

And it's a lot of it's really

relatable to, to what you guys do.

667

: 00:24:25

I'm managing employees, but

it's a different kind of

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: 00:24:27

thing, but it's the same.

669

: 00:24:28

It's the same kind of things.

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: 00:24:29

It's communication and it's trust and

it's, you know, the communication thing

671

: 00:24:33

I think is probably one of the most

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: 00:24:35

important things.

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: 00:24:35

Right.

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: 00:24:36

You guys, You

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: 00:24:36

know, it's all, it really is all this.

676

: 00:24:38

John: Huge.

677

: 00:24:38

Yeah.

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: 00:24:39

And when stuff isn't going,

going well, a lot of times

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: 00:24:42

it's a communication breakdown,

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: 00:24:44

Wally: Yeah.

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: 00:24:44

I appreciate you guys having me.

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: 00:24:45

John: no matter what

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: 00:24:46

you're, what you're, doing.

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: 00:24:47

Yeah.

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: 00:24:48

Thank you so much.

686

: 00:24:48

It was great to see you.

687

: 00:24:50

Great talking to you.

688

: 00:24:50

And thanks so much for

sharing your stories.

689

: 00:24:52

Wally: guys too.

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: 00:24:53

Thanks a lot.

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: 00:24:53

Brian: you.

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: 00:24:55

Wow, John, that was a great guest.

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: 00:24:57

It's great talking to Wally.

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: 00:24:58

John: Yeah.

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: 00:24:59

What cool stories he has.

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: 00:25:00

audioBrianMarks11605016190:

Yeah, second to none really.

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: 00:25:01

audioJohnYoung21605016190: It's

fascinating to hear, not only the

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: 00:25:04

stories, that he has from these iconic

TV shows, but, and you think about it's

699

: 00:25:09

him because he's on camera an awful

lot, but the fact that there's a whole

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: 00:25:13

team that he is just orchestrating to

bring all this content to life, live,

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: 00:25:18

every single week is just really cool.

702

: 00:25:20

audioBrianMarks11605016190:

yeah, and it seems like he, it

703

: 00:25:21

doesn't get old for him either.

704

: 00:25:23

He just loves it.

705

: 00:25:25

Good stuff.

706

: 00:25:26

Good stuff.

707

: 00:25:26

All right.

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: 00:25:27

audioJohnYoung21605016190: right, well, to

close this out here, do you have a dear,

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: 00:25:29

hopelessly unattainable guest for us?

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: 00:25:31

audioBrianMarks11605016190: yes,

I got one to wrap it up here.

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: 00:25:32

And, uh, you know, I was thinking

long and hard about, how we're

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: 00:25:35

going to get somebody on here

that is, uh, one of our moonshots.

713

: 00:25:38

And so I decided to take a little bit

of a different approach on this one.

714

: 00:25:42

And so, who I am trying to attract this

time is, uh, none other than Tom Hanks.

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: 00:25:47

audioJohnYoung21605016190: Ooh

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: 00:25:48

audioBrianMarks11605016190: Yeah, so,

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: 00:25:49

audioJohnYoung21605016190: Big name.

718

: 00:25:50

That's a true A lister.

719

: 00:25:52

audioBrianMarks11605016190: true A

lister, top actor of our generation.

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: 00:25:54

so here we go, alright?

721

: 00:25:55

Let's get after it.

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: 00:25:56

audioJohnYoung21605016190:

Moon shoot away.

723

: 00:25:58

audioBrianMarks11605016190: Dear

Tom, we are a new ish podcast that

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: 00:26:01

really focuses on the hard and tough

choices professionals make that

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: 00:26:05

lead to their inevitable success.

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: 00:26:07

While we love to hear about the

highest of the highs and occasionally

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: 00:26:10

talk about the lowest of the lows,

I'd love for you to join our show

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: 00:26:13

to only talk about your lows.

729

: 00:26:15

You have a magnificent career

parallel to almost no one, including

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: 00:26:19

giant consecutive hits in the 90s in

Philadelphia, Forrest Gump, and Apollo 13.

731

: 00:26:24

Your sweethearted rom coms with Meg Ryan.

732

: 00:26:27

Your portrayal of legends

like Walt Disney, Mr.

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: 00:26:29

Rogers, Colonel Tom

Parker, and Ben Bradley.

734

: 00:26:33

I want to hear about whether you

have a floor piano like you danced on

735

: 00:26:36

in Big, or what it was like to work

with, and know, Steven Spielberg.

736

: 00:26:41

But I'm willing to give it all up and

sacrifice all those fun conversations

737

: 00:26:44

to dig into your rock bottom.

738

: 00:26:46

Moves like Joe vs.

739

: 00:26:48

The Volcano and the

Bonfire of the Vanities.

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: 00:26:51

You're my favorite guest

ever on Saturday Night Live.

741

: 00:26:54

You're so likable and

make it look all too easy.

742

: 00:26:57

, especially in the legendary

skits like David S.

743

: 00:26:59

Pumpkins and the Mr.

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: 00:27:01

Belvedere fan club.

745

: 00:27:02

But what the heck happened

with the movie Larry Brown?

746

: 00:27:05

Let's focus on those struggles.

747

: 00:27:07

I'm sure there's others I can't think of.

748

: 00:27:09

And the agony and stress it

brought upon your career.

749

: 00:27:12

And so much more on an

episode of Snap Decisions.

750

: 00:27:15

It's the thing that we do.

751

: 00:27:18

Behind the curtain with Tom Hanks.

752

: 00:27:19

I can't wait, and I have a

feeling you can't either.

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: 00:27:22

Sincerely, Brian and John.

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: 00:27:25

audioJohnYoung21605016190: I'm not

sure what you put my name on that one.

755

: 00:27:29

audioBrianMarks11605016190:

We're in this together, man.

756

: 00:27:30

We're in this together.

757

: 00:27:31

audioJohnYoung21605016190: I feel like you

really embraced the unattainable portion

758

: 00:27:33

of the dear, hopelessly unattainable

guest who we are offering an unattainably

759

: 00:27:40

impossible collection of questions for.

760

: 00:27:45

Tell us about how horrible things

have been for you at some time.

761

: 00:27:49

audioBrianMarks11605016190: I mean, I

think that it could be a short episode.

762

: 00:27:51

So maybe that'll track him, you know?

763

: 00:27:54

We only want to talk to you

for 45 seconds, because there's

764

: 00:27:57

not very many lows for you.

765

: 00:27:58

audioJohnYoung21605016190:

That's a good point.

766

: 00:27:59

There's not a lot of conversation

around things that haven't gone

767

: 00:28:03

well for Tom Hanks cause that guy

seems to spin most things into gold.

768

: 00:28:07

audioBrianMarks11605016190: He sure does.

769

: 00:28:08

He sure does.

770

: 00:28:09

audioJohnYoung21605016190: All right.

771

: 00:28:09

Well, you know, we.

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: 00:28:10

know somebody who knows him, uh, you

know, I, I don't know what kind of

773

: 00:28:13

relationship Wally has with him, but.

774

: 00:28:16

We can start there.

775

: 00:28:17

audioBrianMarks11605016190: we should

have, we should have said something.

776

: 00:28:19

audioJohnYoung21605016190:

Let's call him back.

777

: 00:28:20

All right.

778

: 00:28:21

Well, let's call it a wrap.

779

: 00:28:22

Shall we?

780

: 00:28:22

audioBrianMarks11605016190: let's do it.

781

: 00:28:23

Let's close it up.

782

: 00:28:24

audioJohnYoung21605016190: All right.

783

: 00:28:25

Well, thank you all for joining next time.

784

: 00:28:27

We will, uh, we'll be even

better prepared because we'll

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: 00:28:30

have cue cards in front of us.

786

: 00:28:31

audioBrianMarks11605016190:

One more thing, John.

787

: 00:28:32

Happy new year

788

: 00:28:33

audioJohnYoung21605016190: Oh yeah.

789

: 00:28:34

Happy new year.

790

: 00:28:35

audioBrianMarks11605016190: 2024.

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: 00:28:36

audioJohnYoung21605016190: I'm going

to go work on my resolutions now.

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: 00:28:39

audioBrianMarks11605016190: Come on.

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: 00:28:39

I'm already done mine.

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: 00:28:40

Goodbye.

795

: 00:28:41

audioJohnYoung21605016190: See ya.